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radhe radhe!! dandvat pranam!! first of all, i would like to say thanks that u have shared a wonderful experience of your life with all of us..i can only imagine this that how you would feel by getting blessings so nicely…really v lucky u are!!!
sri radharaman dev ki jai!!!
hare krishna prabhu,
so nice to hear that you got such a rare chance to worship the greatest of all vaishnavas, Lord Shiva. Be merciful to me as I may commit an offense to a Vaishnava by sayign this , but I would like to point out one thing that one becomes a brahmin only by guna and karma …. not by birth this is confirmed by Lord Krishna himself in the Bhagavad Gita 4.13
cātur-varṇyaḿ mayā sṛṣṭaḿ
guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ
tasya kartāram api māḿ
viddhy akartāram avyayam
The tendency of a particular man toward work is determined by the modes of material nature or the 3 gunas which he has acquired. Lord Krishna never says that by only birth can one be a brahmin. Not even at a single point in the Bhagavad Gita does he talk about birth as the only criteria fro being a brahmin.
Dear Shreepad ji
Radhe Radhe!!
You are half right. Let me tell you why.
catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah tasya kartaram api mam viddhy akartaram avyayam”
According to sanskrit grammer Catur-varnayam comes from “Catur-varnyam swaarthe upsankhayanam” In this Syanc pratayaya is used which shows God gives the birth to every living entity by their past lifes karmas. Lord created the caste system according to Past life karma not present. The word “Jaati” (Caste) is a sanskrit word which is made by ‘Jani Pradurbhaave’ Dhaatu which again shows caste is by birth not by karma.
If it was by karma then should be Dukur karaney Dhaatu.
Have you ever thought how God can decide your caste by your present Karma? He gives birth to these different categories (castes) according to our past life karmas.
If you want to recheck this, read any Gita. In Gaudiyas, Sripad Viswanath Charakwarti’s gita speaks the same truth. Infact Sripad Baldev Vidhya Bhushan in Gitabhushan Bhasya reveals the same truth.
Hari Hari Bol….Dandvts..Prbhuji…
Prabhuji, I Am A Bit Confused About The Name Given Here To Lord Shiva I.E. Mahakaal. In Bg 11.32 Lord Krsna Says “Kālo ‘Smi Loka-Kṣaya-Kṛt Pravṛddho_Lokān Samāhartum Iha Pravṛttaḥ_Ṛte ‘Pi Tvāḿ Na Bhaviṣyanti Sarve_Ye ‘Vasthitāḥ Pratyanīkeṣu Yodhāḥ” And This Has Been Proved Again And Again The Lord Krishna Is The Supreme Personality Of Godhead… Most Commonly In Śrī Brahma-Saḿhitā 5.1 Where It Is Described Īśvaraḥ Paramaḥ Kṛṣṇaḥ_Sac-Cid-Ānanda-Vigrahaḥ_Anādir Ādir Govindaḥ_Sarva-Kāraṇa-Kāraṇam. So..Mahakaal As Far As I Understand Is “One Who Is Maha [Greater] Than Kaal. So..Does This Name Given To Lord Shiva…Signifies That…He Actually Is Greater Than Kaal I.E. Lord Krishna. I Have All Due Respect For Lord Shiva As He Is The Greatest Devotee Of Lord Krishna..But..Please…Clear This Situation..
Hari Hari Bol….Hare Krsna
A Very Insignificant Servant Of Yours,
Alok
Dear Alok
Radhe Radhe!!
Have you read Scriptures of Lord Shiv? All Shiv Purans? Except Vaishnav purans, Every other Puran also reveal Lord Shiv is the Supreme Godhead.
Could you please tell me, why Lord Krsn worshiped Lord Shiv only? why didnt He never worship His other devotees? In which scriptures it is written that we have to worship Lord Shiv as a devotee of Lord Krsn? Why in Srimad Bhagwatam Lord Krsn praised Lord Shiv as the master of whole universe? Why in Ram avataar He established Rameshwar shivling and worshiped Lord Shiv?
Have you ever thought why Lord Krsn always praised Lord Shiv as a Supreme Godhead? Is Lord Krsn speaking lie? If not then find all my questions answers. You will find your answer.
Hari Hari Bol, Dandvats Unto You..Prabhuji,
Actually This Is My Confusion Only. One Hand All Vaisnava Purans Reveals The Narayan Or Krishna Is The Supreme Personality Of Godhead, Other Hand All Shaiv Purans Say What You Mentioned In Your Reply. I Am Not That Much Knower Of All These Scriptures But I’ve Read Bhagwad Gita And Posted My Reply/Question On Its Basis. With All Due Respect For Every Demigod And Demigoddess I Am Very Sorry To Annoy You. But The Question Remains The Same…
This Is Confirmed In The Bhagavad-Gita: Those Who Worship The Different Demigods Achieve The Desired Results Which The Respective Demigods Can Reward. Similarly, Those Who Worship The Material Energy Receive The Suitable Reward For Such Activities, And Those Who Worship The Pitas Receive Similar Results. But Those Who Are Engaged In Devotional Service Or Worship Of The Supreme Lord, Visnu Or Krsna, Go To The Vaikuntha Planets Or Krsnaloka. One Cannot Approach The Transcendental Region Or Paravyoma, The Spiritual Sky, By Worshiping Lord Siva Or Brahma Or Any Other Demigod. So Here, What Is Important, To Go To Vaikuntha Dhaama Or Keeping Ourself Struck In The Material World?
Since You Have An Additional Mercy Of God And By That Mercy You Are Knower Of Scriptures, Please Clear The Situation. I
Would Be Highly Obliged.
Hari Hari Bol….Hare Krsna
A Very Insignificant Servant Of Yours,
Alok
JAI SHRI RADHE MAHARAJ …. Your experience literally made me cry … I was literally happy & sad at the same time ….
Happy .. because my dearest Krishna gave me a glimpse of his true devotee & sad because i feel that i am terribly messed up …. in the worldly affairs .. which are a total whaste … although i cant meet you at this very moment …. I would certainly love to meet you & sing & listen to lords bhajans & kirtans from you … I bow my head with respect & bhakti in front of you ….
I give my dandvat pranaam in the devine lotus feets of smt. radhaji whose ‘mahima ‘ i cant explain … && her ‘Priyatam’ Krishna … whom i adore the most ….
Really love you all… please accept my dandvat pranaam …
******** JAI SHRI RADHE KRISHNA *******
First one need to understand what is Demi God. Demi God is the greek word which means, Half Human and Half God like Lord Ganesh.
Which scriptures speak Lord Shiv is less then Lord Krsn? First one need to understand few things, there are difference between Rudra, Shiv and Sada Shiv. In a same way, we have differences of Lord Krsn and Vishnu. Lord Shiv has a post of destroyer.
One must understand, Lord Shri Krsn always praise Lord Shiv (Rudra) as a Supreme Godhead. Not a single achraya is perfect to find out the real truth.
If we believe on one fact and ignore another fact, then it is a offense of the scripture. And we are selfish. Because we like one God doesn’t mean we make Him superior then other Gods. Lord Krsn gives ‘liberation’ so does Lord Shiv. Lord Shiv followers go to Shiv Lok and Kailaash. Moreover, There is Shiv gita also. I don’t know if you know this or not. I hav’nt get the chance to read it. But it is written in Padma Puran. So what is the point to differentiate? If Sanatan Dharm has 100 scriptures, 60% scriptures speak Lord Shiv is the Supreme Godhead.
Lord Shankarachraya established 5 main Supreme Godhead in his temples. Scriptures reveal, there are 5 Supreme Godhead. Lord Krsn, Lord Shiv, Lord Ganesh, Goddess Shakti, Lord Surya. Every other sampradaya (vaishnavs also) and every devotee till now accept Sankarachraya as the part and partial of Lord Shiv.
Amrita ji!!
Radhe Radhe!!
Thank you for your comment. By mistake I deleted your sweet comment. Devotees word are my strength. If Lord showers His mercy upon me I will always share my stories to you all. ![]()
hare krishna mahraj
i total agreed with the point we do love some idole and bcs of that we say he is the higest or top most is not fair, i truely appriciate you non bias knowladge as well as sharing capacity and i wish to have u r association in future to..
So you do understand, what you are preaching about bhahmins, is diametrically opposed to the the teachings of Srila Bhakti Sidhanta Saraswati Thakur and Srila Prabhupada !
Also you must know the history of Valmiki and our own Nam Acharya Srila Haridas Thajur ?
Before contradicting the great Acharyas of the past, and if you want to call yourself a Gaudiya, then, at least understand the mood of Lord Gauranga and read/assimilate and ultimately live in the epic, Sri Chaitanya Charitra Amrita.
Please do understand, it is only well wishers who give good advice, that we may not like to hear and always hearing our praise does not always make us realize our mistakes.
Nam Acharya Srila Haridas Thakur was Brahmin by birth, but he had raised in Yavan family.
Valmiki got the MARA name in his previous life. In the next life when he was born as a Valmiki, he was Brahmin by birth.
I have read Shri Chaitanya Charitamrita, and very well understand the mood of Gaudiya. BSS and Sri Prabhupad ji also opposed other Gaudiya Acharyas for their theories. Read Hari Bhakti Vilas’s first chapter. Gaudiya is same like other sampradays.
There is a difference between the Gaudiya Sampraday and ISKCON theories.
I do not oppose anyone. I’m coming up with the valid points to prove the theory of Brahmins which was accepted by every great Acharyas.
Please read Bhagwat Gita 4.13 purport of Srila Vishvanath Chakarvarti Thakur and Sripad Baldev Vidhyabhushan. They said the same thing which I have said here.
Radhe Radhe You are really blessed one aapke toh sukh ke dawar khul gaye
Chandan Goswami ji
Thanks much for your quick reply. I know you must be very busy. Please accept a Happy Kartik month to you.
I give you this much, i openly admit that i have not read the purport of the Bhagwat Gita 4.13 given by Srila Vishvanath Chakarvarti Thakur and Sripad Baldev Vidhyabhushan ji.
I will make an attempt to study this as soon as possible and will get back to you on this one.
Also, I have been in connection with The gaudiya sampradaya from around 1993. This is the first time i have come accross someone saying that The Nam Aharya was born in a brhamin family. So you can understand my suprise in this connection.
I my self have been born in a gujarati brhamin family and thus I have known about Valmiki muni since my very birth, and again i have never heard that he had to take another birth as a brahmin. So again you can understand my suprise in this connection.
It may be, that it is just my own ignorance, and so i guess i ask of you to share some valid shastra references on both of the above claims.
Also in my own practical experiance, i have been associated with both HH Sridhar Swami Maharaj of ISKCON who attained samadhi at Sridham Mayapur in India and HH BHakti Tirtha Swami Maharaj of ISKCON who attained samadhi at Gita Nagari in USA.
Both were born in kali yuga, both were not born in any of the castes of India and both were such an inspiration to so many people to take up the path of Sri Krishna Bhakti.
I have closely seen how HH Sridhar Swami Maharaj would daily worship Sri Narsigha Salagram Shila’s, and how he was more a brahmin than many of my own so called brahmin relatives who do not do any puja and even do things that i can not descibe.
If we think that these two great personalities must again take birth as brhamins, then i do not understand why ?
Believe me, there are so many other such sincere vaishnavas all over the globe, whom i have seen at very close quarters, their love for Sri Krishna and Lord Gauranga is like no other. For an Indian to become a devotee is natural, for a non-indian it is a completely different culture and to take up Sri Kirshna-bhakti is naturally very difficult. Still these people under very immense hardships which i as a person born in india, cannot even imagine, in places like russisa, siberia, even khasakstan are keeping up their devotion to Lord Sri Krishna and Lord Gauranga.
Dear Haridas
Radhe Radhe!!
Thank you to share your info here. I really appreciate it.
I can understand your confusion. I will try to give you all valid points to prove my words.
In Skand Puran (Gita Press)(Page 381, 709 & 1024) written that Valmiki was Shri Vastya Gotriya Brahmin & his name was Stambh. But later with boon of Shekh Rishi he became Ratnakar Brahmin. The same story is written in “Kritivaas Ramayan”, “Anand Ramayan”, “Rajya Kanda” in Page 14-21 to 49 & “Bhavishya Puran” (Page 4-10). It is written in these mentioned Purans that Valmiki was a brahmin by birth.
I was being taught when I was a kid, that Hari Das Thakur was born in a Brahmin family. His father’s name was Sumati and his mother Gauri. Right now, I don’t have any valid proof of that but I will let you know for sure.
But here one thing comes up, Brahmin and Vaishnav are two different concepts. All brahmins are not Vaishnavs and all Vaishnavs are not Brahmin.
If I accept this fact for a moment that he was a Muslim, but the another fact is, there is nothing anywhere that says he either gave or even took Pancharatrika diksha. It seems that he took and gave Harinaam only which every Sampradayas apply on outcaste people and Sudra. He didn’t act as a Brahmin anywhere and nowhere it is mentioned he became Brahmin by his sadhna.
As per all my knowledge of shastras and there are many valid shloks which proves my point that Brahmin are very dear to Lord Krishn as Vrijwasis are very dear to Lord Radha and Krishn. You know there are every type of Vrijwasi. Some are good and some are bad. But still ISKCON devotees pay respect to every Vaishnav because Vrijwasis are dear to God and they don’t want to offense them. In a same manner, one should take Brahmins also, either they are good or bad.
Anyone can become Vaishnav but mainly 3 castes can get the brahminatv by karma. Sudra cannot become brahmin by karma.
I know, many brahmins became proud after get a life in this caste. But they will pay for their karma, we are no one to judge their karmas because it is not our job and they are respected for us.
radhe radhe!
maharaj, pranam!
These are very nice answers. To what is really a problem of misunderstanding what Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati and Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada were doing, and why.
Let us respect all vaishnava, we are all vaishnava.



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